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>> there's frustration between drivers and motorcyclists on the road, both sides have arguments about how the other is inconsiderate of the other. >> i'm a biker, but these big groups, different dynamics. >> that's it for us. let's toss it off to carol costello in "the newsroom." hey, carol. >> have a great day. thanks so much. "newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. day three of the government shutdown. party leaders dig in. they come face to face and toe to toe with the white house and coming together reaffirm they are still worlds apart. >> the one thing we made very clear in that meeting, we are locked in tight on obama care. >> the president reiterated one more time tonight that he will
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not negotiate. >> frustration builds as moderate republicans inch to breaking ranks with their party. >> now that we have made the jump, set ourselves on fire and made the jump, we have to, we are now in the valley of death. we decided to go into the valley. we have to run together. we have to stay together in order to, in order to fight the onslaught that's coming from the white house. >> each day the cuts come closer to home even for those most vulnerable, the children whose families would lose help and essentials like food and education. >> this is a dire situation and these children's lives are on the line. >> one group that is not suffering at least economically, the majority of lawmakers in both parties. most are still collecting a paycheck, even as 800,000 federal workers lose theirs.
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it's an issue that could cause even the most savvy poll trigs to squirm and maybe do an baface. senator mike lee of out suit front and center of that controversy telling a local reporter he would still collect his paycheck and then he did a 180 saying he was really giving it to charity. here's kutv reporter chris jones. >> i don't. >> so you will continue to be paid, right? >> i'm working and i'll continue to be paid. >> these comments have the national media buzzing. lee is seen as one of the architects of the plan that led to the government shutdown. we asked him several times -- >> you could almost take one for the team rkt right? >> if he was going to defer his pay take, including jason chaffetz, senator orin hatch and rand paul and senator ted cruz. >> when lawmakers are in session, working, they are considered essential. they are not considered expendable.
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>> reporter: the negative press sent lee's pr team scrambling. they issued a statement claiming lee had intended all along to donate his salary to charity but admitted that the senator's explanation was "muddy." lee's pr boss, brian phillips told 2 news in an e-mail that the senator didn't want to grand stand. he said "mike lee is not the kind of guy to make a big theater production about what and why he gives his money to charity. he is not ted cruz or rand paul." in addition to calling out those two senators, phillips has gone on to tell national media outlets 2 news got the story wrong and he'd ask for a correction but kutv stands by the story. the lee campaign is talking about the senator's paycheck donation plans, he was defending his plans to keep it. >> you don't want the lawmakers influenced in their decision-making by whether or not they're going to get their paycheck. >> reporter chris jones of cnn affiliate kusr joins me live from salt lake city. chris, tell us more about the reaction to the report we just
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watched. >> well, the reaction from lee's people two different sides to it. they talk to us they say the senator was a little muddy in his explanation, but not a big deal, but when they've talked to the national media, what they've been saying is you know those rubes down in salt lake city, they just got the story wrong, and the simple fact of the matter is, is we didn't get the story wrong and if you listen to that portion of the interview on kutv.com you'll see that unedited we asked him several times, are you going to take your pay or defer it like some of the other members of congress and he repeatedly said that he had every intention of taking that money because he's working and he's going to take that dough even though 800,000 other federal employees have been furloughed if. >> evidently something happened to force a change of mind. tell us how angry constituents are in salt lake city at him possibly accepting his or continuing to take his paycheck.
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>> on our facebook page at kuat we have several hundred comments from constituents, and they range from enraged to blowing a gasket. i mean people are very upset by what they're hearing and from a political standpoint, you look at some of the other members of the utah delegation, they've decided that maybe even if it is symbolic, they've decided that they're going to defer that pay, the senator deciding initially he's going to take it and a lot of the constituents in utah are extremely angry and you can see it almost everywhere you look online, comments that we're getting to our studio. >> thank you so much, chris jones, for waking up early and joining us this morning. thank you so much. >> you bet. in an attempt to avoid a public relations disaster, dozens of other senators and congressmen are donating thei c refusing their paychecks. salary of $174,000 a year. and a majority of lawmakers
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haven't said if they'll accept cash or not. christine romans joins me now the full list. good morning. >> good morning, carol. it's easy really to not take your paycheck or to donate it because there are an awful lot of multimillionaires in congress who are representing you and shutting down your government but just look quickly what this is compared to the average sit den. it's four times, they make four times what the average person in america makes. the average worker brings home about $829 a week. if you're a federal worker and furloughed you are hopping mad that your congress members are still taking pay. some of them are hearing this back home and decided it's good politics to defer or donate their paychecks. let me run through who cnn.com has a dynamic list of who is still getting paid and who is going to defer. first of all in the house of representatives, these folks are donating their paychecks. 18 democrats, 13 republicans. let's take a look at the house
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members not accepting paychecks, five democrats and 18 republicans. senate members donating their paychecks, 13 democrats and 6 republicans, and also in the senate, not accepting their paychecks, three democrats and one republican, and here's the list that cnn.com has of those keeping, house members who have said they will keep their paychecks, there's a handful of names on this list, and you can go to cnn.com to see if your elected officials indeed are going to defer or donate their pay. remember, they're considered essential, even though, carol, the thing they're supposed to do is run the government purse strings and instead of doing that, they decided to shut down the government so they have essentially not done their job but they're essential so they get paid. >> that's what the constitution says, they get paid no matter what. christine romans thank you so much. president obama is due to speak next hour his first public comment since meeting with congressional leaders last night. cnn's brianna keilar is at the
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white house to tell us what the president might say. good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, carol. he's going to be keeping up the pressure on republicans on house republicans who want to or defund obama care. we heard from mitch mcconnell he called the meeting at the white house and congressional leaders with president obama yesterday unproductive and sadly that may be the one point that has bipartisan agreement. for the first time since the government shut down, congressional leaders met face to face with president obama at the white house wednesday night. both sides emerging with no deal and no signs of progress to end the stalemate. >> the president reiterated one more time tonight he will not negotiate. >> we're through playing these little games. >> reporter: republicans still demanding president obama accept the delay to his signature health care program. >> all we're asking for here is
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a discussion and fairness for the american people under obama care. >> am i exasperated, absolutely. >> reporter: in an interview with cnbc, the president reiterated he won't give in on obama care, but said he will negotiate on budgetary issues like taxing, spending, entitlement reform if house republicans first agree to reopen the government for several weeks. >> we have a situation right now where if john boehner, the speaker of the house, puts a bill on the floor to reopen the government at current funding levels so that we can then negotiate on a real budget that allows us to stop governing from crisis to crisis, it would pass. >> reporter: the president is probably right, but that's not happening any time soon. instead, house republicans held votes again on funding the government in a piecemeal way, but the senate will surely reject. meanwhile not far from the capital the world war ii memorial operated by the largely
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shuttered national park service has become a proxy in this battle, to counter images of world war ii vets showing up to the barricaded memorial, the rnc offering to pay to keep it open. >> our veterans deserve the freedom to see this memorial, and we're willing to pay the bill. now it's up to the president just to let them in. >> reporter: now the national park service is letting them in, saying that the world war ii memorial, carol, is now open to world war ii veteran action an outrageous image off the table and i think a lot of americans will be happy at least about that one. >> you're probably right. thank you very much, brianna keilar, reporting live from the white house this morning. time to fill the glass half full now. the air force navy football game is a go for saturday. there was concern the nationally televised game would have to be postponed or canceled because of the government shutdown because there would be no appropriated funds to get air force to the
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game in annapolis, in other words they couldn't pay for them to travel by plane to annapolis but the academy got funding from other sources and defense secretary chuck hagel gave his okay. another game that was in jeopardy, army/boston college. it will also be played on saturday. still to come in "the newsroom," congressman tom rokita said he's keeping his pay during the government shutdown even though 800,000 government federal worker also not get paid. he joins me live next. coughs ] i've got a big date, but my sinuses are acting up. it's time for advil cold and sinus. [ male announcer ] truth is that won't relieve all your symptoms. new alka seltzer plus-d relieves more sinus symptoms than any other behind the counter liquid gel. oh what a relief it is.
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for members of congress, paychecks may be important but it's political capital that will decide whether they can keep their jobs in washington and no one has more riding on this battle than the house speaker john boehner. he answers to two masters, the republican party and voters back home who will decide his future. cnn's joe johns has more for you. >> reporter: this is where john boehner came from, working class cincinnati. he's been in congress since 1990, now at a pivotal moment in washington, and in a bitter battle over obama care, house speaker john boehner has a 48% unfavorable rating which is an all-time high in cnn polling.
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>> nobody knows where the rules are. >> reporter: at andy's cafe which baber's family seowned th shutdown was no big deal throw government and bureaucracy are a big issue. i ask him if he's with the tea partiers in congress he wouldn't say. >> well the government is way too big, they need to reduce the size of the government. however you want to take that, you take it that way. >> reporter: and boehner's district they were more blunt about it. >> when john boehner lived here, he gave the message that he was completely for the people, for the citizens of the country. since he's been in washington, i don't know. it just seems like sometimes he goes completely the other direction, sometimes he stays with us. >> reporter: to so what makes boehner tick? he comes from a catholic family of nine boys and two girls, went to moehler high school, a linebacker in a sport obsessed
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state. coach jerry faust led the notre dame fighting irish. faust told me i never found a better team player. he always put his teammates first and insisted on playing even when hurt. former boehner spokesman said he's driven by a refusal to give up. >> we've seen john come back from trouble many, many times. he keeps chugging at it. he's a team builder, and because he's an eternal optimist i think he can get up every day and go back to work in a very, very difficult circumstance. >> reporter: so now for boehner's constituents, the question is, what he stands to gain in the shutdown. >> in 'the 6 when they reopened, they didn't prove anything or do anything else, we're back in the same mess right now. >> reporter: john boehner comes from one of the most republican districts in the state of ohio, so there are people here willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but there are also republicans and democrats alike who are truly annoyed with both parties in washington and that
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includes the speakers of house. joe johns, cnn near cincinnati, ohio. >> republican congressman todd rokita will stand with fellow republicans in just about an hour to talk about the government shut downbut he's made his feelings clear, says this crisis is less about shutting down the government and more about protecting people from obama care. >> we want to keep the government open. we just want to help the american people get by and through what is one of the most insidious laws ever created by man, that is obama care. >> still a growing group of republicans are ready to call it quits on the obama care fight, like republican scott rogell who spoke to cnn's dana bash. >> now we're at a point, what are we fighting for, the delay of one-year of the individual mandate and also the elimination of some subsidies. my point is i don't think a continued shutdown advances our conservative agenda. >> reporter: you want the speaker to bring up a clean bill, no strings attached, to fund the entire government?
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>> that's correct. >> joining us now is the congressman you saw a moment ago todd rokita, a republican from indiana. welcome congressman. >> hey, carol, good to be back. >> can we get just get the paycheck out of the way? we did a lot about lawmakers accepting their paychecks while government workers can't get their paychecks at this particular time. are you accepting your paycheck? >> i am. i'm here at my duty station trying to keep the government open, i produced no less than four different scenarios and plans that harry reid and the senate democrats and the president rejected. as long as i'm at my duty station and working i'm going to keep my paycheck. >> you know how angry, angry a lot of people are cross the country that lawmakers are choosing to keep their paychecks. why should you when government workers can't receive theirs because you're actually not doing your job? >> well first of all, every time
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the government shut down in the past, government workers when they came back got back pay, and furthermore, even the lawmakers who are saying they won't get paid have to get paid under the constitution, so the best they're doing is holding their pay at the clerk's desk. >> so why don't you hold your pay or donate it to charity like so many other lawmakers are doing? >> well i'm fortunate and lucky that kathy and i both donate a lot to charity, and we're privileged to be able to do so and we'll continue to do so but it sends the wrong message. i don't intend to send the message that i'm not doing my job. in fact we are doing our job and fighting on behalf of the american people, fighting to get rid, like i said before, one of the most insidious laws ever developed by man. >> okay, well let's talk about that part of the argument now, because congressman, after hearing your fellow lawmakers scott rigell, republican, are you worried you're beginning to lose the battle? because he says come on, we've lost the fight, we've made our
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point, it's time to move on and fight another day. >> we're fighting for fairness for the american people. t one of the 19 parts was the delay of the employer mandate the idea that the big companies in this country don't have to abide by a portion of obama care. if it's not ready for prime time for big companies, individuals should have the same break and we should delay the individual mandate as well. >> we're going to get into the same fight. >> hold on, carol, we should make sure that congress is equally under this law, like the american people are, if it's so good for the american people it should be good for congress, and so i disagree with scott. i like him a lot, he's a friend but i am fighting for fairness to the american people and that's the latest negotiation that's on the table, why wouldn't we fight for that. who wants congress to be treated differently than the american people? if people are so angry like you say and rightfully so they should be angry that they have to live under a law that congress doesn't. >> i'm just asking you why that
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should be connected to the federal budget. let me run this other thing by you. another republican, devin nunez of california, he's one of the republicans slamming his party for this divisive approach. let's listen. >> now that we have made the jump, set ourselves on fire and made the jump, we have to, we are now in the valley of death. we decided to go into the valley, we have to run together. we have to stay together, in order to fight the onslaught that's coming from the white house. >> so the congressman goes on to say the democrats are giddy about this government shutdown because it's hurting republicans. >> well, all i can tell you is my observation on the floor of the house last night, they seemed pretty frustrated because we continue to offer plans for keeping the government open and parts of the government open and they just voted last night against veterans. they just voted last night against research at the nih. we are for these things. we are for keeping the government open and against obama care and pretty soon this
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is all going to come together. >> i'm sure the democrats are for those things, too but the piecemeal approach they object to. like funding the parts of the government that are noncontroversial that republicans like and not funding others. >> if they're for it, what does the process matter, keep parts of it open. let veterans go see the world war ii memorial like they've been trying to do for the last two days. it's simple. >> is this how we want to decide our federal budget, i mean really, is this the right way to go? >> well for the senate to the to produce a budget for the last four years. as a member of the budget committee i'm proud of the budget we produced, it balanced in ten years, balanced one year before the ten-year window, and all we've seen from the democrats and the president are budget proposals that never balance. what we're fighting for at the end of the day, carol, i don't know if you have children yet or grandchildren, you look much too young. >> thank you. >> we're fighting for them. every child doesn't want $60,000
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debt assigned to them of the public debt taken continues to go on. it's not even the $17 trillion now, carol. it's the $100 trillion on the way if we don't reform the way we do business in washington and that's really what the fight is about. >> no, this fight is about obama care in your mind. it's not about reforming the system. you're not talking about reforming our tax system, et cetera, et cetera. >> do you know how much this law is going to cost? it's an insidious law because it's a lie. it says it's going to be affordable. >> do you know how much it costs every day the government is partially shut down. you are 'costing taxpayers millions of dollars. >> understand that and obama is going to cost the children of tomorrow $2 trillion just over the next ten years. so obama care hurts this economy, obama care hurts this country much more, much more than any government shutdown. >> seriously, the debt feeling fight coming up, obama care hurts the country worse than not
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raising the debt ceiling? >> seriously carol. >> that's not what a bunch of wall street barvnkers told the president yesterday. >> well i had a lot of ceos in my office yesterday and they shared with me the same vision apparently some ceos shared with the president. the ceos in my offices yesterday were mothers and fathers and grandfathers and grandmothers as well. an angry generation, carol, including ours, to date, has cared more about the future generation than ourselves. and if we don't change our ways, if we don't work together, if we don't get government spending under control so we don't put on our plate. >> we're not remotely even working together. >> the one way we don't help the children of tomorrow is by putting $2 trillion more on their plate and that's what obama care spends over the next ten years. it's an insidious law, it's a lie, not providing more affordable health care. people are losing their health care. >> i think most americans would say fight that fight separate
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from the federal budget. don't partially shut down the government. >> but it is. we keep to go around in circles. >> right, we're going in circleses rigcircles that's what you guys are doing. >> you're part of the problem, the media is part of the problem. >> come on, that's so easy. that's so easy. >> carol, you're beautiful but you have to be honest as well. >> okay, i think we should leave it here. thank you so much for joining me, congressman todd roki ta. still to come we hear from a biker who was part of that swarm on an suv driver in new york, and we're also hearing from the wife of the suv driver. we'll be right back.
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good morning, i'm carol costello. we're hearing from one of the bikers part of that swarm on an
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suv driver in new york city and we're hearing from the suv's driver's wife. by now you've seen the video the swarm of bikers surrounding an suv. one biker, jerome davis, telling cnn they just wanted the suv to stop. >> he was underneath the car and they kept proceeding him on. not harassing him but not in the way of threatening him but they wanted to pull over. i had a feeling he was afraid. you see, he was afraid. >> the wife of that suv driver is also speaking out as i told you telling nbc her husband was "placed in grave danger by a mob of reckless and violent motorcyclists and that he acted to protect the lives of our entire family." this case prompted authorities to look at another unrelated incident from 2011, this new video shows more bikers
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antagonizing a driver at a busy intersection. looks familiar, doesn't it? pamela brown is following this story. >> reporter: there's no indication to show the videos are linked but police are actively investigating the circumstances surrounding the incident and trying to determine what may have sparked it. so far, no charges have been filed in connection with the assault on that driver, alexian lien and new pictures show the scene apparently right after he was attacked. brand new photos give new perspective to the violent videotaped encounter between a group of motorcyclists and the driver of a black range rover. these pictures from "the new york post" appear to show alexian lien on the ground, allegedly beaten and slashed by the bikers. police released these two pictures of one of the suspects who they believe was banging on the suv with his helmet.
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some are calling for lien to face charges. >> there could have been other things that could have happened, could have done instead of running somebody over. >> reporter: one of the bikers the video shows the suv running over is edwin j. meises who is seriously injured. >> it is a family not a gang. >> reporter: outraged friends and family held a vigil last night. new york police are investigating how the violent clash started but a witness to the incident told "new day's" chris cuomo he believed lien was afraid. >> two wrongs don't make a right. the gentleman was scared. if i was in his shoes, i'd be scared. >> reporter: charges were dropped wednesday against alan edwards, the other man pounding on the suv. the law enforcement source telling cnn edwards may have actually been trying to protect lien, in a statement the manhattan d.a.'s office says prematurely charging individuals with low-level crimes does not further the goals of the investigation and could weaken the cases we expect to bring.
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one biker, christopher cruz, was in court wednesday facing reckless driving charges for what happened before the assault. you can see him in this video slowing down right in front of the suv, causing lien to bump into him. the incident apparently sparked the confrontation according to police. cruz's attorney says he did nothing wrong. >> his motorcycle was struck and he stood right there, never assaulted this man. >> reporter: this video from 2011 shows a separate case of alleged biker violence, riders appear to surround and antagonize a motorist and law enforcement sources tell cnn they're examining the footage frame by frame looking for possible patterns in what they call biker gang activity. authorities still hoping to make more arrests in connection with the attack on lien. investigators digging for information talking with witnesses, analyzing the video and listening to 911 calls lien made during the chase. police were not able to tell me this morning whether the
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pictures they released of one of the suspects have led to any credible tips. certainly a lot of unanswered questions here, carol. >> you're right. story goes on and i'm sure you'll be following it for us. pamela brown live in new york, thanks so much. still to come in "the newsroom" no signs of hope, jason johnson and amy kremer join me to talk about the shutdown after the break. ais
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talk to farmers and get smarter about your insurance. ♪ we are farmers bum - pa - dum, bum - bum - bum -bum ♪ . the stalemate in washington drags on as the shutdown enters the third day. meeting between president obama and top congressional leaders failed to produce any results last night. it may have made things worse a gop source telling cnn neither side discussed any kind of compromise, and the bickering in the nation's capital comes as millions of americans deal with the fallout, among them clinical trial patients at the national institutes of health, who now must wait until the shutdown
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ends to receive care. and that includes about 30 children and when cnn's dana bash asked harry reid about congress's ability to at least find common ground for them, she got this fiery response. >> you all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials. the house is presumably going to pass a bill that funds at least the nih. given what you said, will you at least pass that and if not, aren't you playing the same political games that republicans are? >> what right do they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded? it's obvious what's going on here. you talk about reckless and irresponsible, wow. >> but if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn't do you it? >> you're putting one against the other. >> why would we want to do that? i have 1,100 people at nellus air force base that are sitting home. they have a few of their own, this is, to have someone of your
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intelligence to suggest such a thing. >> i'm just asking the question. >> okay. so jason johnson is an hln contributor and political science professor at hiran college, amy kremer chairman of the tea party express. democrats aren't they being hypocritical because they passed the resolution to pay service members. >> i don't think so. look the whole point is that -- >> what harry reid said was awful. >> i will never defend harry reid for anything, that's clear but the idea is we need to fund the entire government. the idea here is that this started because the republicans want to defund or repeal obama care, if they would get off of that and make that an issue in 2014 instead of holding the entire government and entire world economy hostage we wouldn't have this problem so pitting kids against veterans that is unnecessary. the republican party needs to accept what's going on in the country and move forward. >> amy, conservative republicans
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kind of like that approach and they think that's frcompromisin. >> i disagree with you, because congress has gotten used to passing huge budgets or omni bus bills and that's not the way it was intended. they should be passing 13 appropriation bills. harry reid says what gives them the right to do this. the constitution. our founding fathers set it up so the house controls the purse strings. >> it's a history lesson when you guys don't get your way. >> no, it's not. >> you did this a couple weeks ago. >> what what, the constitution or the founding fathers gave the house the control of the purse strings? >> something ruled constitutional by the supreme court you allow it to go through. >> the real problem is obama care. the american people don't like it, and i'm tired of hearing that oh he was reelected, well guess what? had all this bad information come out last year before november i think we might have had a different result. >> it's about time to give it
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up. like i said the best is to let this bill go out, if it fails, go on to 2014. >> we've been hearing this argument and even some republicans are tired of this same argument and saying it's time to move on and open up the government. here's what one house republican had to say about the influence of the tea party on the house over the last couple of months. let's listen. >> as part of this problem in this whole group that i refer to, this has been ongoing for three years, where they've continued to block our leadership for three years to get to 118 votes. >> the lemon caucus, talking about tea party caucus? >> it's not tea party caucus, not at all. it's a lemming caucus, guys who meet privately, always conspireing, it's mostly just about power, and it's just gotten us nowhere. >> okay so amy, your tea party, so you're on the hot seat. >> these people were elected by their constituents to go to washington and do exactly what they're doing.
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they want to shrink the size of government, we want to shrink the size of government, rein in out of control spending and regulations. it's republicans that have contributed these moderate republicans have contributed to the out of control spending and regulations just like the democrats have. you can't blame it all on the democrats. republicans have done it, too, so we have elected fiscal conservatives, that's what we're focused on and they're doing what they were elected to do. >> jason i'll ask you about the president, he calls this congressional leaders come on to the white house, we're going to talk and nothing happens, in fact he says i'm not going to negotiate. why bother to have that meeting? why bother to talk later this morning? it's not helping. >> at this point everyone's saying this is now part of the debt ceiling fight. we need to work on all of these issues and i think the bigger problem that we're looking at here, all you have to do is just fund the government. it's not that complicated. they knew this was going to happen, they waited months because they thought the president like he did in 2011 was going to blink and when the president actually said no, i got elected on this, this is a policy i'm going to put forward, they decided that they were
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going to hold the entire nation hostage. they don't want to admit that. >> we're not holding hostage. we passed continuing resolutions that means completely funding the government. >> harry reid is holding us hostage, and barack obama. >> i've got to leave it here. >> it's the president and harry reid. >> thank you for being with me and for fighting the fight. amy kremer, jason johnson. still to come, they are responsible for the safety of the nation's food, but right now many of those inspectors can't do their jobs because of the government shutdown. we'll dig into the real world impact after this. do you like to travel?
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from the centers for disease control to national monuments, the ripple of the government shutdown extends far beyond washington. rene marsh joins me with a closer look at who is being affected. good morning, rene. >> reporter: good morning, carol. you know this morning the federal workers and their families are waking up with two critical questions unanswered, how long will this last and will they get retroactive pay. as a result of this shutdown, states are now trying to keep pace with a spike in unemployment benefit filings. >> let douse our work! >> reporter: these furloughed workers are manning the picket
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lines. >> we are being placed in furlough status. >> reporter: for the narrowly 800,000 federal service workers their nonessential status is a slap in the face. >> ya think? yes i'm upset. >> i still have to put food on the table, still have to pay my bills. >> reporter: people living on this military base in hawaii stocking up before their commissary closes down. >> i came to grab a couple of things but i started getting panicked when i saw how empty all the shelves were. >> reporter: the shutdown could also affect food safety. >> here at fda headquarters in maryland they've been hit very hard by the shutdown, several hundred food safety inspectors furloughed, people who watch out for the safety of our eggs, produce and seafood, several hundred furloughed. it does increase the risk of food borne illness and some outbreak. >> reporter: empty hallways as the centers for disease control as well. >> we are out of the office and not able to take your call. >> i'm concerned for the experts we have here, what is it that might be happening that we're not going to catch as soon as we normally would. >> reporter: even more painful, reynolds says, because of the shutdown the cdc can't support its annual flu program just as the season is arriving and the impact is being felt beyond the cdc's walls. here at this sandwich shop in
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atlanta the manager tells us sales are down and they had to cut back on employee hours. most of the people who typically fill up the tables during the busy lunch hour work across the street at the cdc. >> i've cut back my staff significantly. lot of my staff have young children as well so it's making an immediate impact. >> reporter: the shutdown complicating the search for a missing woman in idaho. >> here at this idaho national monument is rugged terrain, park rangers even in the face of this government shutdown are continuing their search for a missing woman and that's whether they get paid or not. the national park service gave them the green light to continue their search for a missing 63-year-old doctor. the expectation is that they'll eventually get paid for their hours but there's no guarantee. >> reporter: meanwhile the majority of national parks and monument remain closed. they remain closed so you're looking right now live at what it looks like outside the
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lincoln memorial. this is as close as people can get here, because the barriers are still up and the signs say that this sight is closed. according to one consulting firm, carol, the estimated economic cost per day, $300 million in unpaid wages and lost economic activity. so not a good deal for people visiti visiti visiting. >> it was great to sit next to the memorial and look at the reflecting pool. rene marsh, thanks so much. we have new information for you about a church bus crash in tennessee that killed eight people, the bus was carrying a group of seniors back from a conference when the bus crossed a median and struck a big rig truck. some of the bodies were burned beyond recognition. nick valencia is here with more. good morning. >> this is a terrible crash in tennessee. our hearts and prayers go out to
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the victims and some new information this morning, carol, 12 people remain hospitalized, that coming to us from the university of tennessee medical center, three in stable condition, two in critical, seven in serious and as you mentioned some of those bodies so badly burned officials >> reporter: the wreckage scattered along both sides of interstate 40, east of knoxville. an adult church group from statesville, north carolina, was on its way home from a christian festival. that's when the unthinkable happened. >> the bus had a blowout on one of its tires. we believe it to be the front steer axle or steering axle and it caused the bus to lose control. >> reporter: it kareened across the median into the westbound lanes, clipped an suv and smashed into a tractor trailer. the big rig bursting into flames. >> the first ambulances and fire apparatus were on the scene within less than five minutes. >> reporter: but it was too late. at least eight people killed,
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six from the bus, one from the suv and the driver of the tractor trailer. the injured rushed by ambulance and life flight helicopters to hospitals. at the front street baptist church in statesville, the news spread along with the pain. members comforting each other. the pastor speaking briefly last night. >> but we do know that there were several that went on to be with the lord. >> at a press conference a short time ago, officials backed off from definitively saying that the blown-out tire was the reason that that car crashed but they said if, in fact, that did happen, it would have been impossible to make sure that they kept control of that bus considering the weight of the bus. >> so the investigation into what caused that tire to blow goes on? >> service records, driver's history, all of that is under investigation. >> thanks so much. still to come, the tampa bay rays survive and advance in the playoffs.
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morning. the government shutdown will not be messing up your football this weekend. all three service academies will play their games as scheduled. andy schultz is here to tell us more. >> air force at navy and army at boston college, those games were in jeopardy because of the shutdown but after outlining a plan of how they weren't going to use government funds to travel to the games, they have gotten the go ahead to go ahead and play which is a good thing, because navy, air force, a great rivalry matchup. navy's athletic director says this weekend's game will bring in about $4 million. not playing the game would have obviously been devastating for the program, especially since revenue from football also funds navy's 32 other sports teams. air force and navy played every year since 1972. this year's game will be another sellout and it will be televised nationally on cbs. rays and indians squaring off in the one game, winner take all a.l. wild card matchup. delmon young got the scoring started for tampa in the third inning with a towering solo home run. hey, that's all they would need. alex cobb and a trio of
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>> i don't think so. >> one of the sttop stories on bleacher report, donte whitner got permission to change his name to hit-ner. he filed papers to formally remove the "w." he was fined $21,000 for leveling a rams wide receiver. the kicker in this whole thing, there's an nfl rule that if you change your name midseason, you have to buy all the merchandise with your old name on it. if he wants to change his name, it will be costly. he has to go into the 49ers gift shop and get a big basket and put all his jerseys in there. >> i don't think he thought this through. thank you, andy. that was fun. next hour of "cnn newsroom" after a break. ♪
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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for being with me. it is day three of the government shutdown and the stalemate drags on and party leaders continue to dig in. at any moment, we'll hear from top republicans in the house. their topic, funding pediatric cancer research, one of the many emotional offshoots of this shutdown, and later this hour, president obama will speak to the nation. also this hour, both the house
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and senate return to session. frustrations build and fractures deepen. first, let's look ahead to the president. this will be his first public comments since last night's meeting with congressional leaders last night. cnn's brianna keilar is at the white house. brianna, what do you expect the president to say? >> reporter: carol, he will be making the point today specifically related to small businesses. he will be visiting a small business, a construction company, and the specific objective is to point out that a shutdown and not increasing the debt ceiling would have a really bad effect, because small businesses wouldn't be able to get loans, the cost would be higher for them. this would be difficult for them in terms of keeping their business going and certainly creating jobs. but this does come on the heels of that meeting yesterday here at the white house between congressional leaders and president obama. it was mitch mcconnell, the senate republican leader, who said it was unproductive and sadly, that may be the one point where there is bipartisan agreement.
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for the first time since the government shutdown, congressional leaders met face-to-face with president obama at the white house wednesday night. both sides emerging with no deal and no signs of progress to end the stalemate. >> the president reiterated one more time tonight that he will not negotiate. >> we're through playing these little games. >> reporter: republicans still demanding president obama accept a delay to his signature health care program. >> all we're asking for here is a discussion and fairness for the american people under obama care. >> am i exasperated? absolutely. >> reporter: in an interview, the president reiterated he won't give in on obama care but said he will negotiate on budgetary issues like taxes, spending, entitlement reform, if house republicans first agree to reopen the government for several weeks. >> we have a situation right now where if john boehner, the speaker of the house, puts a bill on the floor to reopen the government at current funding
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levels, so that we can then negotiate on a real budget that allows us to stop governing from crisis to crisis, it would pass. >> reporter: the president is probably right. but that's not happening any time soon. instead, house republicans held votes again on funding the government in a piecemeal way. the senate will surely reject it. meanwhile, not far from the capitol, the world war ii memorial operated by the largely shuttered national park service, has become a proxy in this battle. to counter images of world war ii vets showing up to the barricaded memorial, the rnc offering to pay to keep it open. >> our veterans deserve the freedom to see this memorial and we're willing to pay the bill. now it's up to the president just to let them in. >> reporter: now the national park service is letting us in. they announced they will be letting world war ii veterans come to the world war ii memorial and you will probably note, when it comes to veterans,
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this is really one of the most unsightly effects of a government shutdown and certainly here in washington, where you have all of these memorials and veterans visiting, it's very visually obvious, a lot of cameras have been catching this. now this outrageous image is off the table for republicans and the white house. >> kind of like to see the world war ii veterans in the halls of congress. maybe they can help get things done there. >> reporter: right? perhaps. >> brianna keilar, thanks so much, reporting live from the white house this morning. let's talk about the president now. president obama called it useful. nancy pelosi deemed it worthwhile for john boehner it was quote, a polite conversation but mitch mcconnell said it was unproductive. that was the reaction to last night's white house pow-wow which by some accounts brought the shutdown closer to an end. a gop source telling cnn that no one even discussed making a deal. at least one house republican says there's a reason his democratic colleagues are prolonging the fight.
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>> the democrats are giddy about this behind closed doors. they think that this is going to give nancy pelosi back the gavel. they are very cocky, very confident. i assume they're just looking at polling information and they want to continue down this, they want to keep the government shut down as long as they can, and they're encouraging our folks to do it. >> joining me now, democratic senator mark udall of colorado. good morning, senator. >> good morning. i'm smiling because i'm thinking of my father who was a world war ii veteran and how he would approach what's going on. but if i might, i would just say that none of us over here in the senate are giddy about this shutdown. to the contrary, in my state, we just got hit hard by biblical rains and floods and i'm very worried that my constituents aren't going to have the relief and support that's necessary to help us rebuild after these floods. we have to get the government open, let the house vote. there was a vote on the senate, clean funding measure, we would put the government back in
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operation. then we could sit down and talk about budgets and taxes and medicare and social security. but let's get the government open. >> is there any wiggle room at all? this meeting last night, president obama called congressional leaders to the white house, but then supposedly, he said to these congressional leaders i'm not going to negotiate. so why even call that meeting? what kind of negotiating is that? >> i think you first do have to sit down, look at each other, realize we're all in this together. i think what the president was saying is he wasn't going to negotiate on the affordable care act. look, the supreme court ruled it's constitutional. it was passed legitimately through the congress. it's being implemented. i think the president was saying you can't govern if you're going to refight old battles. let's get the government open, let's sit down and talk about the budget and tax policy and how we strengthen medicare and social security. i know the bulk of the congress, both republicans and democrats, think that's the way forward. >> yeah, but that's where we are right now. there's this group of conservative republicans and they want something done about obama care. they want some sort of talks
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going on, some sort of delay. that's where we are now. why not sit down with them and talk it out? >> they're in the distinct minority. you have one faction of one party in one house of one branch of the three branches of government that's holding up all of us. at some point you just have to say no, we're going to hold the line. this would set a terrible precedent, carol, if this small group could hold the entire country hostage over a law that's already settled, already being implemented. >> but i must say, with all due respect, there are many americans unhappy with obama care. a lot of them don't understand it and a lot of them frankly don't like it. >> if you look, most americans are willing to give it a chance. most americans want to see it implemented. let's sit down and work on ways to make it even better. this group in the house wants to end obama care. that's basically what they're saying, we're going to defund it and delay it and eliminate it, and that's just not where we are. >> okay. well, what about this piecemeal plan that the republicans are
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again going to put forth in just a few minutes, actually? they're going to say why not fund things like clinical trials at nih and take care of the kids? why not go ahead and pass that sort of resolution and fund that program? >> look, that's tempting but we will pick winners and losers and again, we set a precedent that we can piecemeal solutions in the situation where we just ought to open the government. it's very easy, the senate sent a bill over to the house on a number of occasions. let the house vote. we all know if the house voted, if it was a fair vote, it would pass by a significant margin. there would be many republicans that would join many democrats in the house to begin the funding of the government. then we can sit down and talk. >> but you know this nih and cancer trials, house republicans are going to use that because i'm just going to show you an image from their coming press conference. they have an image of senator reid, dana bash asked a question about possibly funding these
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clinical trials and senator reid said why would we want to do that. now they're going to use this as a political tool against democrats and this is sort of where we are right now. >> i think however, it's transparent. it's playing a game. it's picking winners or losers. in colorado, we have a national park, rocky mountain national park, which is key to the recovery of estes park which was hit so hard by these floods. i chair that subcommittee in the senate. i want to get that park reopened. but not while being held hostage, not while having a gun held to our heads. this would set a terrible precedent for the future and it would let a instasmall group ho hostage whenever they felt that was a useful tactic. it isn't. let's fully fund the government, then sit down and talk. >> senator udall, i have to ask you this question just in fairness because i have asked this of republicans. are you foregoing your paycheck? >> i am. here's how i've structured how we should move ahead. i'm one of 40,000 federal
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employees in colorado. i'm honored to be a federal employee. if the federal employees in colorado aren't paid, i will donate my paycheck to charity. >> senator udall, thank you so much for joining me this morning. we appreciate it. as the stalemate grinds on, and the realities set in, we're asking americans what they think. today, cnn's ted rowlands is in peoria, illinois, asking middle america what's their message to washington. >> reporter: peoria is the ultimate spot in middle america, going back to vaudeville. people aren't buying what's happening in washington. we talked to people here this morning. take a listen to what they have to say to folks in washington. >> it's not fair. it's not fair because this decision was made by people who only want to put up roadblocks. they're not interested in moving forward. they're interested in their own private needs and desires. >> it's always disappointing.
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i'm very disappointed in politics in general. >> reporter: what message would you send lawmakers? >> get your acts together and work together. >> i think anybody who ever had to work with other people knows that collaboration and compromise are part of how you do it. i don't think it's very smart or helpful. >> reporter: what message would you like to send to lawmakers on capitol hill? >> get real. >> reporter: what message would you like to send to lawmakers? >> to get their act together and get the congress back open again. this is ridiculous. >> reporter: why? >> it's just nonsense. i mean, they're grown adults. they can't get along and come to a conclusion. maybe we don't need them in there after all. >> oh, i suspected we might -- ted, we're having a problem with your wireless microphone, probably because you're inside that restaurant. but if i could, i would have you
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go on. we got the gist. thank you so much. after all you heard about the government shutdown, what is your message to washington? make a little video for us and send it to ireport.com. as the shutdown continues, we will share your views on cnn. still to come in "newsroom" despite the president signing a bill to keep military members paid, the shutdown is still having a devastating effect on military families. we'll talk to an army wife next. when you've got to get to the other side of no-man's-land, it's not the ford ecoboost v6 you want under your hood. chevy silverado offers the most fuel-efficient v8 of any pickup. even better than the f-150 ecoboost v6. out here, you want what's under here. put silverado to the test at the silverado vs. all event. [ male announcer ] just announced, trade up to the all-new silverado all star with $3,250 total value. see your local chevy dealer today. [ chainsaw buzzing ]
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all right. you're taking a look at that shot, that's actually in maryland, where the president will speak in just about, oh, a half hour or so if he's on time. the president is expected to talk about the economy and jobs and i'm sure he will mention a few things about the government shutdown as well. we'll take you will there live when the president begins speaking. we are also talking about lawmakers accepting paychecks when federal workers are not getting paid. these are the four house members who decided to keep their paychecks coming in. danny davis, todd roxita, howard coble and william clay. we'll keep following that part of the shutdown. talking about paychecks, the government shutdown also means that every day, hundreds of millions of federal dollars that are usually pumped into the u.s. economy in other ways are not
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being spent. tom foreman looks at just how much money we're talking about, how much it's costing us during this government shutdown. >> reporter: take a look at this number back here. $300 million per day. that is one estimate of how much money is disappearing from the economy right now because it's not being spent by the federal government. we knew there would be expenses in some ways. in this red tier, federal workers who have been sent home without money, people who do direct business with the government. we also knew there would be a green zone back here of some things that wouldn't be affected so much like air traffic control and border patrol and the federal courts and postal service. the cost seems to be happening most of all in the yellow zone, the in-between places, things like intelligence gathering. the national security agency now down about 70% in terms of civilian employees, or so we're told. some food inspection not happening because those people have been sent home. there is the case where certain
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head start programs have been shut down around the country, about 19,000 families involved with that. of course, the panda cam turned off over at the national zoo. here's another way of looking at it. if you combine all of this together and say let's not talk just about the money directly not being paid to federal workers, but the ripple effect of that, there is analysis out there by moody analytics that say if you combine it all, it will be equal to the economic impact of hurricane katrina and super storm sandy minus the property damage, or about a quarter to half million dollars from the time i started speaking. >> wow. tom foreman is live in washington now. tom, is it possible that volunteers could pick up critical work left by furloughed workers? >> reporter: no. i guess civilian volunteers could. that total amount would be if it goes on for a month so it does have to add up to reach that big amount.
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no, they really can't, because there are agencies out there like the nih where there are people who very much care about these patients, would like to help them. there is a woman missing up in idaho and there were people, federal workers who were involved in the search for them. they got cut way back because they were not allowed to go on the land, they had to get an exemption for that and special permission to go out there. there are all sorts of rules that keep the workers themselves from doing this for free, no matter how much they may care about their jobs and because it's a closed federal facility, it's very hard for any volunteers to step in and say open the doors, let us go do it. that's part of the trap here. it just doesn't seem to be getting any better. >> no, it doesn't. tom foreman reporting live from washington, thank you. all right. a bit of breaking news to pass along. the treasury department is out with a brand new report and it's talking about the debt ceiling. that's the next big debate that will go in washington -- that's going to go on in washington between lawmakers and the
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president. christine romans is in new york to tell us what this report says. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. this is an urgent special report from the treasury department, essentially telling congress it must act now, it has put the treasury, the finances of the united states in an untenable position and could quite possibly be catastrophic, what happens if the debt ceiling is not raised. let me tell you what a senior administration official told us. he said no telling how bad a default on our debt could be, it could plunge us into something that looks like the great recession if not the great depression. the report finds a default would be unprecedented, has the potential to be catastrophic, credit markets could freeze, the value of the dollar could plummet, u.s. interest rates could skyrocket. the negative spillovers could reverberate around the world and there might be a financial crisis and recession that could echo 2008. it goes on with some supporting facts about what just happened in 2008, the credit freeze, how that felt, how it might ripple through the economy but clearly, this is an administration that is trying to tell the public and urge congress that we are in a
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position where $30 billion in the treasury coffers by october 17th, there is some $67 billion in important bills that come due november 1st. unless you raise the debt ceiling and issue more bonds, you won't be able to pay all that's coming due in the beginning of the month. reporters basically grilling senior administration officials about could we prioritize our bills, could you pay some bills and not pay another, could you give ious. the treasury department saying quite frankly, we shouldn't be in this position and they're not going to speculate on how they could prioritize their bills because doing that would send a signal to world markets that america frankly doesn't have its act together. >> it's just like deja vu all over again. we have been down this road before. i just don't get it. >> reporter: i know. let me tell you, you have this rare situation where just a few years ago the president was calling bankers on wall street fat cat bankers, and now you have the president and those fat cat bankers, they are speaking
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with the same voice. they met yesterday. listen to what lloyd blankfein, ceo of goldman sachs, said could happen. >> there's precedent for a shutdown. there's no precedent for default. we're the most important economy in the world, we're the reserve currency of the world. payments have to go out to people. if money doesn't flow in, then money doesn't flow out. >> reporter: wall street bankers and the president of the united states singing the same song for the first time in five years. that shows you what kind of territory we're in right now. it's just one of those things where urging congress, trying to get cooler heads to prevail, the treasury department issuing this special report but at the same time, it doesn't look like there's any movement at all on capitol hill. >> christine romans live in new york, thanks so much. we'll be right back. my asthma's under control. i don't miss out... you sat out most of our game yesterday! asthma doesn't affect my job... you were out sick last week. my asthma doesn't bother my family...
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saved. rescues are ongoing. investigators will probably have to use dental records to identify some of the victims of a church bus crash in tennessee. eight people were killed, 12 others hospitalized, two of them remain in critical condition this morning. the bus was carrying a group of seniors back from a religious conference. one of the bus' tires blew, sending the bus across a median and crashing into an suv and tractor trailer. the wife of the suv driver who was beaten during a clash with motorcyclists in new york city is speaking out. she says her husband was quote, placed in grave danger by a mob of reckless and violent motorcyclists and that he acted to protect the lives of our entire family. in the meantime, a biker who was part of the swarm told cnn that the bikers just wanted the suv to stop. >> it was a few seconds. everything happened so fast, it happened so quick, and to see the fellow rider underneath,
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totally right underneath the car, and he kept proceeding on. not harassing him but wanted to have him pull over. not in a way of threatening him. i kind of feel he was afraid. he was afraid. >> the case has prompted authorities to look into an unrelated incident from 2011. this video seems to show bikers antagonizing a driver at a busy intersection. police say they're looking for a pattern of biker gang activity. let's talk about the government shutdown now, because it isn't just about money. it's about real families suffering in uncertainty and despite the president signing a law to keep military members paid, military families are still feeling the hurt by the shutdown. joining us now is crystal cavalier, a government analyst with the homeland security department, married to a soldier based at fort bragg. she has been furloughed. good morning, crystal. >> good morning. how are you? >> i'm probably much better than you this morning, sadly.
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so is your husband still being paid? >> he is. we just heard that, you know, the government is going to pay him and that's what the president signed into law i believe midnight of september 30th, so yeah. he's still getting paid as far as we know. >> he's probably not getting paid -- you're probably not a wealthy family, right? >> no. >> you're not getting paid. no? >> no. >> you need two incomes, right? >> yeah, we do. >> tell us how this is hurting your family. >> i moved up here to washington to take a job because there's not that many jobs in north carolina, especially at fort bragg, and so we do need this dual income to help our family. it's just -- i thought it was going to happen but i never knew it was going to go this long. i thought they were going to have a plan in place, especially to help military families. you know, you heard about the base, the commissary is being
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closed and there's acs is closed. it's affecting a lot of people. i think the lawmakers just need to know that this stance they're taking is affecting everybody. i don't know if they really thought about that. >> i'm just looking again at what you do for a living. you're a government analyst with the homeland security department. it's also disturbing that you're not on the job protecting our country. >> yeah, that's true. you know, that's that word essential and nonessential. i'm one of those nonessential employees and i really hope that the lawmakers will retroactive pay the government workers who have been furloughed. i mean, this is really important and it's been affecting everybody. i don't know if they're seeing that. it's just hard. >> well, it's interesting, because there's been a lot of talk from lawmakers and the president about compensating military families to keep paying soldiers like your husband. the world war ii memorial, they opened that back up. in fact, the republican national
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committee offered to pay security guards so that world war ii vets could go in and look at the memorial. when you hear things like that and then you look at what the shutdown is doing to your family, a military family, how do you feel? >> well, i'm glad they opened the memorial, but it's just making me -- it just makes me sad because there's so many of my friends, i have friends that are in maryland, i have friends that are in texas and it's affecting us each individually, and you know, it's just terrible and i really wish they would come together and be bipartisan. i really hope the republicans and democrats and the president can all negotiate. that's what we need is a strategy. we need a plan. >> we need a plan. i know. i wish someone would come up with a plan. i mean, are people pointing fingers? are you pointing fingers? or you think they're all bums? >> well, i'm not pointing
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fingers. i still have faith in our political system. i'm up here in washington, the most political place in the world, so i still have faith. i just think it's just, it has a lot to do with each of the sides, like the democrats and the republicans, they want to take a stance and show their constituents back home that once they got voted in because of this health care plan, they want to show them they are taking this stance even though it's hurting them and it's hurting these people, the constituents. so i just, i don't know, i just think the american people need to reach out to their lawmakers and say okay, enough is enough. we need to come up with a plan, we need to go into an office and see what needs to be negotiated, make a deal. make it happen. >> so one word description, how do you feel when i say that some lawmakers are continuing to accept their paychecks? >> well, it kind of disappoints me. just sad. >> just sad. crystal cavalier, thank you so much. much luck to you. >> thank you. still to come in the
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with seemingly no -- what could the president say today that will move things along? >> he's clearly trying to use this event and a lot of other events as sort of a public forum to put pressure on the republicans, especially those -- let's say those more moderate republicans who would be willing to go along with an up or down vote strictly on whether or not to keep the government open without any attachments to obama care or other issues. i think he's trying to use this forum as a pressure point, if you will, on the republicans because clearly, nothing positive happened as far as we can tell in that meeting last night. the president was there with five people in the room, the two republican leaders of the senate, the two -- excuse me, the two democratic leaders in the house and senate and the two republican leaders in the house and senate, just five people in the room, and they emerged and clearly made the point that there was no agreement and this stalemate continues. as the stalemate continues, as you know, carol, and all of our viewers know, the pain continues as well.
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as difficult as this is, two weeks from today, if the country doesn't raise that debt ceiling, who knows what the impact will be on the value of the dollar, the u.s. economic recovery, whether the country goes back into recession. we're hearing all sorts of doom and gloom scenarios out there if the debt ceiling isn't raised two weeks from today. the country runs out of money presumably and so there are a lot of issues at stake. >> but it seems that more and more, more moderate republicans are saying look, we can't be controlled by the conservative base of our party anymore, we're willing to vote on a continuing resolution with no strings attached. is that true? because we hear different numbers of republicans. we hear some people say john boehner has enough republican votes in the house right now for such a thing to pass. then we hear from others that no, no, doesn't. from your perspective, what's true? >> what's true is that if the speaker, a huge if, decided to put that to a vote on the floor
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of the house of representatives, let all 435 members vote according to their own conscience, go ahead and pass a six week continuing resolution, legislation that would keep the government fully funded for the next six weeks, during which you can negotiate all sorts of other issues, that would pass. almost all of the democrats would vote for it, presumably, and a lot of republicans would vote for it as well. in the house of representatives, though, nothing really comes up for a vote unless the speaker decides he wants it to come up for a vote. he probably wouldn't get a majority of the republicans on board but he would get a lot of republicans to support it and if you get 20, let's say, given the majority that the republicans have and all the democrats, almost all of them vote for it, it would pass. but it's up to the speaker, it's his decision and his decision whether to allow that to go forward. hold on for a moment. i want to go to the white house. brianna keilar is standing by, our senior white house correspondent. actually, we will go to brianna in a second. we will hook her up.
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athena jones is up on capitol hill. is there any movement at all within the republican party, in the house of representatives, right now? the pressure, is there significant pressure from republicans on the speaker to let this so-called clean resolution come up for a vote? >> reporter: well, wolf, if there is, it's not very visible right now. i just came from a press conference held by majority leader eric cantor on the house republican side with several other house republicans, some of whom have been doctors in the medical community, one nurse, one congresswoman who was a nurse, appearing with doctors, urging them -- urging the senate, i should say, to pass this piecemeal spending bill, the one that would fund the national institutes of health. they are doing this of course because of the headlines we've seen about people, including children with cancer, being turned away from clinical trials and so this is really part of the messaging here. they held this press conference, folks wearing doctors' coats,
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saying this is life-saving stuff and what's interesting, the argument majority leader cantor said if this nih funding bill is brought to the floor of the senate, a majority of senators on both sides of the aisle would vote to pass it because we're talking about critical care for these sick people. now, that's an interesting argument to make because as you were just talking about, the other argument is that if you were to bring this clean spending bill with no strings attached, no anti-obama care provision to the floor of the house, that would pass with support from both parties. so even though cantor was asked about this whole idea of some in his party wanting to support and wanting to vote on a clean spending bill, he ignored that question and stuck to the message of the day, which today at least is urging the senate to pass the nih spending bill, urging this piecemeal approach as they go along. wolf? >> stand by. brianna keilar is over at the white house. what are they saying over there, brianna? white house officials, the president and others, when they
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say look, you're not going to get that complete spending bill passed without any extraneous measures like obama care or whatever, but why not do for the national institutes of health or for veterans or for the national parks what you already did for military personnel, pass legislation, sign it into law, that allows them to get their salaries? why not accept some of these piecemeal pieces of legislation, especially when they involve life and death issues, for example, clinical trials at nih for young children who have cancer? >> reporter: well, wolf, they look and they are sort of i guess you could say solidified with congressional democrats on this, they are saying that republicans are cherry-picking the easy things and not dealing with the hard things. what they'll try to do is get these things that are so popular through and really what republicans are trying to do is not fund the things that support obama care. so they're saying that in a way, this isn't just them finding
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kind of -- this isn't about finding a bipartisan agreement that actually i think they don't want to give on that because they're unable to get what they want, which is certainly funding for other parts of the government, and they feel that obviously, this kind of plays to that idealogical difference you're seeing between republicans and democrats that we've seen play out over and over in these battles, that republicans want a more limited government, democrats do not want to capitulate to that and they feel like going along piecemeal is something that would really give in to that demand, wolf. >> i want to get back to you in a minute but sanjay gupta is with us as well. sanjay, you're in maryland today, right? in baltimore, is that where you are? >> that's correct, sir. >> let's talk a little about this. it's a real dilemma. you're a physician, you want to save everybody's life, if you possibly can, and certainly young children who might be saved if they get into these clinical trials at nih. this is a real dilemma right now that these democrats will have
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in the senate. do they vote in favor of this legislation that the republicans are pushing through the house, even though it doesn't fully fund the federal government, it does provide funding for nih, so there's a real dilemma here. >> reporter: yeah, look, it's a collision of politics and medicine for sure. i will say putting my doctor hat on for a second, obviously i think it's a good idea to fund these clinical trials. the people who would be the beneficiaries of these clinical trials are the most obvious reason why. keep in mind, these are clinical trials. this is part of how medicine and science and everything moves forward. these patients in the clinical trials now could benefit if these trials work, but the real point is that any time you start to slow things down, then people down the road, months, years down the road, may benefit from the science that emerges from this, they could be affected as well. let me put a broader brush on this with regard to health overall. you think about the nih, but the
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cdc, you may have heard today, stopping distribution of the flu shot in some places. some people may say how big a deal is that. tens of thousands of people die from the flu every year. it's a big deal for lots of people out there. and think about things like food inspections. every time there's a food outbreak, you and i talk about the impact of the food outbreaks in the whole country. food inspections, i talked to dr. tom freeden, head of the cdc. he said food inspections will be adversely affected. these are things you may not feel immediately right now. they may not have the same drama as we're hearing about with regard to the clinical trials which obviously are very important, but this extends far and deep and in ways that maybe we haven't fully understood. >> yeah. there are real ramifications from this government shutdown. and the stakes are only in the days to come going to get even more significant. christine romans, we heard from the treasury department today about an enormous crisis that would erupt two weeks from today if the federal government, congress doesn't raise the
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nation's debt ceiling. are they overexaggerating the impact potentially of not raising the debt ceiling? what's going on here? >> reporter: well, it certainly sounds dire and scary. what they're talking about here, they're saying you can't precisely measure what would happen in the global economy if we don't raise the debt ceiling and how soon it would happen because we have never been here before. the united states always pays its bills on time, every time. that's why it's the center of a global financial complex. that's why it is the gold standard for borrowing and it is a model that other countries are trying to emulate. we have never been here before. the treasury department in that report basically saying that if you don't raise the debt ceiling, the kind of knock-on effects to capital markets freezing, stock markets plunging, all kinds of business grinding to a halt would rival the crisis in 2008, if not the great depression. that's what the treasury department is saying. it's interesting because for the first time in five years, you have america's big bankers and the white house singing the same song. yesterday we heard from the goldman sachs ceo who said you
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have to raise the debt ceiling, america has to pay its bills. you don't do budget negotiations through something that is simply the accounting of the united states treasury. you know, that just doesn't make sense. now, when you talk to people on the right, they say this is an intervention that the american financial system needs, that they are trying to simply say business as usual is not going to be allowed. but you know, i'll tell you, we don't know what will happen. we just don't know what will happen. even among ceos and economists, they are arguing about how quickly the damage would happen if we didn't raise the debt ceiling and privately, they are all saying they hope it doesn't come to that, that congress must act. >> everybody hopes it doesn't come to that. two weeks from today, it's a huge, huge deadline. stand by, everyone stand by. the president of the united states is in suburban maryland, right outside of washington, d.c. in rockville, maryland at a local construction facility there. he's going to be speaking on the government shutdown. we'll have live coverage as soon as we come back. at farmers we make you smarter about insurance,
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the president of the united states getting ready to speak there, rockville, maryland, just outside washington, d.c. at a local construction company. he's going to talk about the government shutdown, what congress needs to do right now to avert even more serious pain in the days and weeks to come. brianna keilar is standing by over at the white house. this event today clearly designed, brianna, to put pressure on republicans in the senate and the house to go along and pass some immediate legislation that would reopen the government, fully reopen the government. i assume we're going to hear a lot more from the president saying he's willing to talk about everything, but not in the
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context of negotiations over a government shutdown or over raising the nation's debt ceiling. >> reporter: that's right, wolf. what's interesting i think about this event at this construction company in maryland not far outside of washington, d.c. is you're seeing him really start to talk about the ramifications of if the debt ceiling isn't increased, what a default would mean. what he's talking about here is what it would mean for small businesses. he will make the case in this event that this is a company that has benefited from getting more loans, being able to access more capital so that it can expand and really obviously contribute to economic growth. he'll be making the point that if there is a default, it will make it more difficult for small businesses to access those funds so that they can strengthen the economic recovery and really be part of it. this is part of i think the strategy that we've seen from the white house and from democrats in general. they're trying to highlight what's going on, that the debt
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ceiling may not be raised, and they're trying to highlight as well stated objectives of republicans. in this case, you always hear republicans say they want small businesses to grow, that that's the engine of the economy, that they're with small business so he's trying to say, but actually what you guys are doing is hurting small businesses. we've also seen this in other ways as well. he's made the point that when it comes to obama care, republicans obviously do not like the program, but he points out that they're shutting down the government and that that doesn't actually defund or delay obama care, the same way as well we've heard democrats, politicians make the case on the deficit. the republicans say they're very concerned with deficit spending and yet many democrats have said that's what a government shutdown actually increases costs and therefore, is something that republicans say they're not a fan of. >> the president is now at the microphone. i think he's going to thank a whole bunch of local politicians, state politicians first, some of the special
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guests. let's listen in to the president, within a minute or two he should get to the substance of his remarks. >> congressman john delaney is here. and we have the acting head of the small business administration here. and i also want to give a big thanks to your bosses for being such gracious hosts. i had a chance to meet them at the white house. thank you. now i know where they got their good looks from because i had a chance to meet mom and dad and they're beautiful families. i'm so glad to be here. i had a chance to learn a little bit about their story. so when their parents brought them from portugal to america
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almost 40 years ago, no one in the family spoke a word of english. but that didn't stop their father, manuel, and their mother, albertina, from having a big dream, believing that if they worked hard, they could get ahead and that even though they had never had any schooling, maybe their daughters could go to college. maybe in america, you could make it if you tried. that's what they believed. so they started their own construction company with a pickup truck and a wheelbarrow. and when sedalia and natalia turned 14, they began to help, cleaning tools, translating documents, and they became the first in their family to go to college. after graduation, they started their own business and later, they bought the family business from their parents. so today, the company is a $60
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million company with about 250 employees. i understand you're opening your fourth office at the end of this month. so this story is what america's all about. you start off, maybe you don't have a lot, but you're willing to work hard, you put in the time, opportunities out there and you're able to pass on an even better life to your family, your children, your grandchildren. and it's good news that after how hard the construction industry got hit during the recession, things are starting to get a little better. remember, it was just five years ago that our economy was in a freefall. businesses were shedding hundreds of thousands of jobs every single month, and the recession ultimately cost millions of americans their
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jobs, their homes, their savings, everything they had worked hard to build. today, over the last three and a half years, our businesses have added seven and a half million new jobs. our deficits are falling. our housing market is healing which means construction is improving. manufacturing's growing. the auto industry is back. america's on pace to become the number one energy producer in the world this year. more small businesses have gotten loans so they can grow and hire, with the help of the small business jobs act i signed three years ago. that's part of what allowed this company to grow. so we still have a long way to go. we've still got a lot of work to
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do, especially to rebuild the middle class, but we're making steady progress. and the reason i'm here is we can't afford to threaten that progress right now. right now, hundreds of thousands of americans, hard-working americans, suddenly aren't receiving their paycheck. right now, they're worrying about missing the rent or their mortgage, or even making ends meet. we can all relate to that. imagine if suddenly you weren't sure whether you were going to get your next paycheck. with all the bills that might be mounting up. well, that's what's happening right now to hundreds of thousands of americans across the country. companies like this one worry that their businesses are going to be disrupted, because obviously, particularly in an area like maryland, virginia, where there are a lot of federal
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workers, you don't know how that's going to impact the economy. veterans, seniors, women, they're all worrying that the services they depend on will be disrupted, too. and the worst part is, this time, it's not because of a once in a lifetime recession. this isn't happening because of some financial crisis. it's happening because of a reckless republican shutdown in washington. now, we've all seen the offices locked down, the monuments closed. we've heard about services denied. we've heard about benefits that are delayed. but the impacts of the shutdown go way beyond those things that
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you're seeing on television. those hundreds of thousands of americans, a lot of whom live around here, don't know when they're going to get their next paycheck and that means stores and restaurants around here don't know if they'll have as many customers. across the country, you've got farmers in rural areas and small business owners who deserve a loan but they're being left in the lurch right now. they might have an application pending as we speak, but there's nobody in the office to process the loan. the sba gives $1 billion of loans a month to small businesses. $1 billion a month goes to small businesses all across the country. right now, those can't be processed because there's nobody there to process them. veterans who deserve our support are getting less help. little kids who deserve a head start have been sent home from
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the safe places where they learn and grow every single day, and of course, their families then have to scramble to figure out what to do. and the longer this goes on, the worse it will be. and it makes no sense. the american people elected their representatives to make their lives easier, not harder. and there's one way out of this reckless and damaging republican shutdown. congress has to pass a budget that funds our government with no partisan strings attached. now, i want everybody to understand what's happened, because sometimes when this gets reported on, everybody kind of thinks well, you know, both sides are just squabbling, democrats and republicans are always arguing, so neither side's behaving properly. i want everybody to understand what's happened here.
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the republicans passed a temporary budget for two months, at a funding level that we as democrats actually think is way too low because we're not providing help for more small businesses, doing more for early childhood education, doing more to rebuild our infrastructure, but we said okay, while we're still trying to figure out this budget, we're prepared to go ahead and take the republican budget levels that they proposed. so the senate passed that, with no strings attached, not because it had everything the democrats wanted. in fact, it had very little the democrats wanted. but we said let's go ahead and just make sure that other people aren't hurt while negotiations are still taking place. so that's already passed the senate. and we know there are enough republicans and democrats to vote in the house of representatives for the same thing.
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so i want everybody to understand this. there are enough republicans and democrats in the house of representatives today that if the speaker of the house, john boehner, simply let the bill get on the floor for an up or down vote, every congressman could vote their conscience, the shutdown would end today. the only thing that is keeping the government shut down, the only thing preventing people from going back to work, and basic research starting back up and farmers and small business owners getting their loans, the only thing that's preventing all that from happening right now, today, in the next five minutes, is that speaker john boehner won't even let the bill get a yes or no vote, because he doesn't want to anger the extremists in his party. that's all. that's what this whole thing is
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about. and we've heard a lot from congressional republicans the past couple days saying they don't want this shutdown. well, there's a simple way to prove it. send the bill to the floor, let everybody vote. it will pass. send me the bill, i will sign it. the shutdown will be over and we can get back to the business of governing and helping the american people. it could happen in the next half hour. national parks, monuments, offices would all reopen immediately. benefits and services would resume again. hundreds of thousands of dedicated public servants who are worried about whether they're going to be able to pay the mortgage or pay the car note would start going back to work right away.